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Jasper Rees

Twelve months ago the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences was the focus of an intense campaign on social media. The hashtag #OscarsSoWhite protested the lack of recognition for black talent at the 2016 Oscars. This year the picture looks a little different, mainly because Barry Jenkins's quietly remarkable film Moonlight has deservedly scooped eight nominations.

Among those nominees is Naomie Harris, who plays Paula, a crack addict in the Miami projects. But the main acting miracle of Moonlight is the trio of performances by Alex Hibbert, Ashton Sanders (pictured below) and Trevante Rhodes, who embody Paula's son Chiron at various ages as he works out how to play the very poor hand that has been dealt him: fatherless, friendless, bullied at school, he is petrified to show any hint of vulnerability.

We first meet him – at this stage known as Little – when he’s befriended by Juan, a kindly street patriarch played by Mahershala Ali (familiar as Remy Danton, the shady lobbyist from House of Cards) who just happens to be his mother’s drug dealer. Even as his problems escalate in the second section, Chiron is given a tantalising glimpse of the warmth that can come off another human. In the third, now known as Black, he has developed a muscular suit of armour and, in emulation of Juan, become the thing he once loathed.

Moonlight is the second film of Barry Jenkins (b 1979) after Medicine for Melancholy (2013). It is expanded from In Moonlight Black Boys Look Blue, a drama school project by Tarell Alvin McCraney, the playwright who has been a strong following in UK theatre with plays like Choir Boy and American Trade. Both men grew up in the Miami district of Liberty City where Moonlight was shot.

The film has already won the Golden Globe in the Best Picture – Drama category, while Mahershala Ali won the best supporting actor of the Screen Actors' Guild on Sunday in Los Angeles (and gave an empowering acceptance speech about religious inclusivity). If 2017 didn’t seem predestined to be the year of La La Land, Jenkins could just find himself making three trips to the podium at the Oscars: Moonlight’s Academy Award nominations include best film, best director and best adapted screenplay. A coming-of-age story about a boy's tentative sometimes violent quest for identity, his film couldn't be in cinemas at a more opportune moment.Ashton Sanders in MoonlightJASPER REES: Your trio of actors who play Chiron look and move with an extraordinary linearity between the three of them. How did you achieve that?

BARRY JENKINS: I’ve got to give credit to my casting director first. It wasn’t a difficult process of finding these guys. We didn’t have 30 hoops they all had to jump through, but it was an arduous process in that we were looking for this magical alchemy that you couldn’t project, you just knew it when you saw it. Eventually in the course of quite a few months of searching we found these three guys. What we were looking for wasn’t so much physical similarity. We were looking for this essence, this spiritual communion amongst three of them. Eventually we felt like we’d found it. Now in making the film we tried to do certain things. Those three guys didn’t meet. I didn’t allow them to rehearse together, and they couldn’t watch each other’s footage. But there were things that were built into the script and the ideation of the character that were consistent across the three stories, and they did all three have the full screenplay. These Academy Award nominations have just come and what I love about that is they are spread pretty wide across the crew. Everybody played a role in building this continuum. The cinematographer framed them a certain way consistently across the three chapters, especially in very particular moments. The editor did a great job. I told them I want them to be three different people and yet the same thing has to be charging throughout each chapter.

They all have the same wounds.

Exactly. And although they’re often trying to hide them, for me it’s in their eyes. That’s when you see that wounded child, especially when you meet Trevante Rhodes (pictured below) and think, who the hell is this guy? And you can see this wounded child deep down inside.Trevante Rhodes in MoonlightWhat happened when they did all meet?

It was amazing. They were amazed at how alike they were in personality. It was almost like they were looking at a reflection of themselves in this very cold way. I mean they get along famously.

Is this film needed now?

I don’t know if it’s needed now. I do feel like the movie has begun to serve as a symbol of the kinds of things people want to make sure that we stay aware of now. Let me say this. The movie was written under the previous presidency. It was directed under the previous presidency. Even when it was released it was assumed it would be released under a different presidency to the one we have now. I will admit the film in some way does serve as a symbol, because people write me messages saying they are so glad the movie exists in this present moment as a corrective in certain ways to this idea that we need to rescue the spectrum of what an American is and what an American life is and what an American voice is. This film is a reminder that we should now be expanding what an American life is, and which voices are worth hearing. This movie came out three weeks before the election and it meant a certain thing at that point. I’m speaking of Instagram and Twitter. I get messages from strangers all the time from people telling me what the voice has meant to them. After the election, those messages changed in tone and tenor.

But long before Trump won the Republican nomination, there was Black Lives Matter and #oscarssowhite (pictured below: Naomie Harris).Naomie Harris in MoonlightI wrote this in 2013 so it did pre-date some of those things. When Ferguson happened it happened very loudly, by which I mean people were very open about the conversation that was being had in the States and there was this sort of dialogue on what voices needed to be heard. I think what I love about this film is it arrives for the most part as an unfiltered version of mine and Tarell’s voice. I think something happened over the last four years that made that essential. When #oscarssowhite happened last year this was already in the can. Nobody had seen a single frame of footage but somebody wrote an article already commenting on the film as something that could be a corrective to those things. It doesn’t alter the way I approach the work. But I did realise whatever became of the movie something was going to be changed.

Almost exactly a week ago to the minute the new president of the US used the phrase “American carnage”. What did you make of that?

What it did for me was it crystallised what I felt was the president’s perspective on what America is. And I think for the president there were certain things that are taking place on the ground. There are people who are very actively engendering the spirit of community across the US and they’re doing it primarily in communities that the president would say are the bedrock of that carnage. And so there is a cognitive dissonance, or there might just purely be a distance between this president and the people he presumes to represent. And that was what I saw in that statement, and it was frightening, because this president has shown a temperament to meet carnage with carnage. And so if he’s projecting the idea about what he sees it gives me pause about what he’s doing to do to address it (pictured below: Barry Jenkins filming Moonlight).Barry Jenkins on set filming MoonlightSpike Lee said of Chi-Raq that ultimately he wanted to get the movie to the people that it’s about. Do you have a conception of who you want Moonlight to be seen by?

There’s two different answers. One, in the making of the film I’m only making the film for an audience of two, myself and Tarell McCraney. I’m trying to be as truthful as possible, as in tune with our voices as possible, which to me is the voice of Chiron. That’s who the movie is for. Now the movie is done, I think the person who can literally see themselves in this film is the most important person to see it. We’re surrounded by screens all the damn time. If you don’t see yourself reflected on enough of those screens two things happen. One, you begin to feel very very alone. And then two, you begin to feel in some ways invisible, because there are other people all over the world who are watching these screens and if they don’t see you on it they then start to believe you don’t exist.

But then I do think the gift that cinema gave to me is showing me how small the world truly is. I didn't grew up obsessed with film and when I was in film school I fell in love with the medium through watching foreign films, primarily the work of Wong Kar-wai and Claire Denis. We were watching Happy Together and being moved by this film about two Asian men living in Argentina in a same-sex relationship. Couldn’t be farther removed from my world and yet I was feeling things. Now that this film is done that I want it to serve in the same way as Happy Together served for me. Here we are in London and yet you can go to the cinema and take a trip to Miami and see how small the world truly is.

You filmed it in Liberty Square where both you and Tarell McCraney grew up. Why was it you wanted to film there and what happened when you did?

So much of the source material was about the place. Tarell has done a great job of capturing the mood of what that community is. Liberty City is the neighbourhood in which the Liberty Square housing project is set. In some ways it’s static. It hasn’t changed a lot in the last 50 years. And then there was just so much about it that I remember. As a filmmaker you often try to imagine what the light is going to be like, how the location is going to feel. I didn’t have to imagine. I knew exactly what it was. There was no other place this movie could be set. Once we got there this really interesting thing happened. This distance I always have between my personal life and my artistic life began to get blurred. And now I think because I’m embracing that blurring of the selves, I think the craft, the aesthetic of the film, went to this place that I couldn’t intellectually have projected that it would go. I think the work became better, more visceral for it.Mahershala Ali and Alex Hibbert in MoonlightThere is a beautiful scene in which Juan teaches Little to swim. Why alight on swimming in particular? (pictured above: Mahershala Ali and Alex Hibbert).

Tarell in the source material has written two scenes. There was the swimming lesson and there was learning how to ride a bike. I was much enamoured visually with the idea of a swimming lesson. This character Chiron doesn’t really trust anyone. When you’re out in the ocean you’ve got to trust two people: the person who’s teaching you, and you have to trust the water. Also in Miami we’re surrounded by the ocean. It was a very concrete place to have this moment of spiritual transference between Juan and Little. What I love about that scene is a lot of things in the making of this movie are method. Alex Hibbert does not know how to swim so what you’re watching when you watch that scene is Alex Hibbert getting to a place where he can trust Mahershala Ali to not let him sink.

You seem to romanticise or idealise the figure of the drug dealer. These guys with these big armoured bodies – Juan and later Black – have within them this kind heart. Was there ever an anxiety that you were giving these guys a free pass?

True, and I love that Chiron basically poses the same question that you’ve posed to me. Why are you forcing me to romanticise you? Don’t you sell my mom drugs? But it’s a valid question. The whole piece arises from Tarell’s friendship, paternal relationship, with a drug dealer so the romanticisation is a reflection of the life that Tarell lived. The character Juan is based on a real person. Just because it happened doesn’t mean it’s acceptable art. That was where I was taking my cues from and I do think that the character is brought to his knees through the mouths of babes. Little illustrates exactly what you’re talking about. With the character of Black I do think it’s a front. We state very clearly why and how it’s a front. Even in the romanticisation I do think the other characters around him do eventually tear him down.

Janelle Monae in MoonlightThis is a film about men and boys but you have two actresses giving great performances: Naomie Harris and Janelle Monáe (pictured) as Juan's saintly girlfriend Teresa.

With both of them it was about having a presence that felt true. Neither one of them is given a very easy take. Janelle is playing Teresa, a woman with a heart of gold, and yet she is living with this drug dealer. I do think both Naomie and Janelle do a great job of embracing the vice and virtue at the core of the characters.

Did Janelle Monáe worry about that?

No no. Janelle has that actual experience in her life. She’s the arachnoid space-age musician but she’s from this very small rough place in the Midwest and so she understood who the character was. The interesting part was Naomie did not understand who the character was but she was willing to make the journey to find the heart and the empathy in playing Paula. She actually has the opposite task of the young men. She is embodying the same character across three chapters and I think she’s the foundation of the piece.

  • Moonlight opens on 17 February

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Overleaf: watch the trailer to Moonlight

Jasper Rees

La La Land needs no further introduction. A homage to the golden age of the movie musical, to Michel Legrand and The Umbrellas of Cherbourg, it contains perhaps the catchiest score to come out of Hollywood in many years.

Jasper Rees

On screen, two hoodlums in macs and homburgs debate the best way to waste a victim. One of them, played by Peter Sellers, proffers a revolver. The other, who from under his hat has something of Herbert Lom about his profile, pulls on a cigarette and shakes his head. How about the acid in the bath routine? Another shake of the head. Case him in cement and drop him in the river? No. Sellers’ gangster is bemused. No gun, no acid, no cement: so how’s he going to do it?

Jasper Rees

David Yates is not the best-known film director in the world, but he has been at the helm of four of the most successful. All of them had “Harry Potter and the” in the title. After the last Potter movie he took a break among the computer-generated jungle foliage of The Legend of Tarzan, but he’s now back working in the service of JK Rowling’s imagination with Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them.

Adam Sweeting

New York-born actor Robert Vaughn, who has died at the age of 83, achieved massive popular success when he starred as the sleek secret agent Napoleon Solo in The Man from U.N.C.L.E., which ran for four seasons from 1964 to 1968 and exploited the then-new James Bond mania to ratings-busting effect. Prior to that, Vaughn, both of whose parents were actors, had racked up a long string of minor credits in American TV and movies, the most prestigious of which was an appearance in John Sturges's 1960 cowboy classic, The Magnificent Seven.

Tom Birchenough

If you’re expecting family drama, the opening of Captain Fantastic will surprise. We’re following a hunter, greased-up so he’s invisible in the woods, stalking a deer. There’s an edginess to the scene, the atmosphere primal as the animal is killed. Other disguised forms emerge from the trees, and a ritual of smeared blood ensues – nature, red in tooth and claw.

It feels a long way from civilisation; it transpires that we have been witnessing a rite of passage for eldest son Bodevan as he turns 18, orchestrated by his father Ben (Viggo Mortensen, bearded, back in The Road mode, on excellent form). This is not a family tied to convention: home is an Indian tipi deep in the forests of Washington State, where they live off the land. Director Matt Ross gradually reveals how Ben structures his children’s lives around physical testing (hard exercise, pictured below, risky rock-climbing) and mental discipline, which has seen them develop at an intellectually precocious rate: it’s a film where a little girl will exclaim “I’m a Maoist” out of the blue or riff on Pol Pot, and everyone’s jumping ahead with their Great Books (Karamazov to Middlemarch, via Lolita). They make up quite a nice little family music band, too.

That road trip allows Ross’s script to expand its range, particularly towards comedy

Mortensen moves vigorously between benign patriarch and commander, and any balancing feminine presence seems much missing. Ben has set up this survivalist, counterculture hub with his wife, Leslie, a decade or so earlier, leaving society behind to create the very distinct world in which they want their six children to grow up. They are named almost à la Tolkien: as well as Bodevan (played by British actor George MacKay, lean and nervy), there are twin sisters three years younger, Vespyr and Kielyr, who manage something of a motherly presence, 12-year-old Rellian (Nicholas Hamilton, stroppy), and the youngest, Zaja and Nai, who have only ever known this way-out world.

They live so far off the grid that it takes Ben a long ride in the family camping van – which has a relatively normal name for these parts, Steve – to reach the nearest phone, a journey he makes to keep up with news of Leslie, who is in hospital in the care of her parents, down in New Mexico. Her illness, of which we gradually learn more, is something their alternative lifestyle can’t deal with, but neither can its traditonal counterpart: she is dead, and her father (Frank Langella, dominating) warns that if Ben and family come anywhere near the funeral, he will have them arrested. There’s little shared ground between these worlds of individualistic self-expression and convention, but that’s not going to stop the family journeying south to pay its last respects.That road trip allows Ross’s script to expand its range, particularly towards comedy, as this busload of isolationists brushes up against small town America in a confrontation occasionally as abrupt as Ben’s description of Cola as “poison water”. Yet there’s a subtlety to the balance that Ross presents: the family’s right on the nose in some things, not least when they note that virtually everyone they encounter is obese, but there are other incidents that make us think twice. An elaborately staged supermarket grab, genially redefined by Ben as a “Free the Food” moment, has him feigning illness while the kids make off with the shopping. It makes us ponder. yes, it’s an appealing game, a thumbs-up to society (albeit one clearly rehearsed, which makes you wonder, not for the only time, just when, and how?), that serves as prelude to an impromptu “Noam Chomsky Day” celebration – Chomsky takes the place of Christmas for this lot – to cheer everyone up. It’s not only the knives being bandied around by six-year-olds that makes us wonder whether it’s a good thing…

Let out into the wider world the children are challenged in other ways. Bodevan, who has applied for college (with his mother’s encouragement, but keeping the news from his dad), is already thinking of the future, the present being a place in which he’s rather lost: attracted to a girl at one of their camping stops, the only way he knows how to conclude their meeting is to propose to her. It’s very funny, very natural and guileless (and MacKay plays very nicely, absolutely convincing beyond his usual horizons), but brings home how the enclosed environment in which they have grown up can’t last forever.

That sense of different worlds colliding reaches its peak at the funeral, at which Ben and family turn up dressed like they're having a wild party (main picture). Leslie had left her own instructions for her send-off, and they aren’t being followed in the ceremony organised by her parents, so their disruption is right on one level, but it leads to more grief. An element of resolution, even reconciliation follows, as the family comes to terms with its loss: as well as the Langella’s uncompromising grandfather, Ann Dowd plays a more nuanced grandmother, and a decision about the children’s future appears to be reached (Ann Dowd with Frank Langella, pictured above right).

At which point Ross changes the register of his film dramatically. If until then he’s been making an essentially indie, rather than Hollywood studio film – a dichotomy that, it could be argued, in some way parallels the distinction between the independence of the family's forest world and the conventional society which they are rejoining – from here on Ross starts playing by more predictable rules. There’s a particular moment at which Captain Fantastic turns away from more challenging territory, one where issues can be left unresolved, towards something increasingly sentimental.

That may not be a reading shared by the majority of viewers, and it doesn’t stop the film from still being entertaining, funny and moving, while the acting remains outstanding throughout, but it flows against the original grain. After that opening scene that went to one extreme, Captain Fantastic closes on Ben and his remaining offspring living what might almost be a parody (but, I fear, isn’t) of the American domestic hearth, right down to soft focus furnishings and granola. It’s just too cosy to be true, and it’s hard to credit how Ben has ended up there unless he’s been stiffed a quick off-screen lobotomy (he hasn’t). Closing credits recording archery and taxidermy contributions remind us of what’s gone missing.    

Overleaf: watch the trailer for Captain Fantastic

Jasper Rees

Cinema has waited a long time for a film about Miles Davis. It hasn’t been for want of trying by Don Cheadle, who stars in, directs, produces and takes a co-writing credit on Miles Ahead. Despite the support of Davis’s son, daughter, nephew and first wife Frances Taylor, the film was trapped in a pipeline for aeons. While he waited, Cheadle had plenty of time to turn himself into a trumpeter good enough to perform onstage in the film’s coda with Davis collaborators Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter.

Jasper Rees

Singin’ in the Rain made much of those people in the movies whose work you don’t know you know. Set at the dawn of the talkies, it told of a star of the silent screen with the voice of a foghorn who relied on the angelic pipes of a trained singer parked behind a curtain. Such was the real-life story of Marni Nixon, who has died at the age of 86. You knew her soprano voice intimately. You just didn’t know her name. It was Nixon who sang for Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady and Nixon who sang for Deborah Kerr in The King and I.

Jasper Rees

What is it about Toby Jones? A decade ago he had a stroke of luck when a film producer spotted his physical similarity to Truman Capote and cast him as the lead in Infamous. The luck wasn’t unadulterated. Philip Seymour Hoffman played the same role in a different film and won an Oscar. While Infamous was overshadowed, Jones wasn't. The latest advance in his career finds him playing a medieval king in a film from the director of Gomorrah, the ultra-violent portrait of organised crime in Naples.

Matteo Garrone's Tale of Tales adapts three of the many fairy stories anthologised by 16th-century Neapolitan courtier Giambattista Basile. In a story known as "The Flea", Jones plays a king who promises to marry his daughter off to anyone who can identify the pelt of a mysterious creature. The clue is in the title, but this is no ordinary flea, which under the king’s care has grown to monstrous proportions before dying.

There's a strong moral dimension hidden behind this fantastic imagery

Jones has a face for make-believe and the role continues a fantastical thread in his CV which began when he was cast as the voice of Dobby the house elf in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. But more than any other screen actor of his generation he has also come to embody the ever-changing face of Englishness. Recent roles have included Neil Baldwin, the Stoke City fan with learning difficulties in Marvellous, Alfred Hitchcock in The Girl, Captain Mainwaring in the Dad’s Army remake, and the terminally single obsessive Lance in Detectorists. One day he'll make a wonderful Falstaff (he had a brief run-out in the role for the Globe's 400th anniversary celebrations). So how come he’s the king of a castle in the middle of southern Italy?

JASPER REES: Where was your section of Tale of Tales filmed?

TOBY JONES: The Castel del Monte in Puglia. You can look out from the roof and you might as well be in the Middle Ages. It’s absolutely amazing [see trailer overleaf]. It’s in the middle of nowhere. It’s intact and we just filmed there. There’s hardly any CGI in the film. The flea stuff is just puppets.

It’s very different from your last visit to Italy, Berberian Sound Studio.

Yes, very different, although the making of it was kind of similar. What’s refreshing about making an Italian film – even though it’s English-speaking – is there’s a certain chaos on the set which is all about the energy and the enthusiasm of making films. Sometimes in England and America the industrial process takes over to such an extent that it’s all a bit systematic and everything’s been thought to the nth degree and there doesn’t seem to be that same “we’ve got this and we can do that!” There’s people losing their tempers because it matters. It’s not all executives whispering to each other. It’s out there. Matteo – because he was producing the film as well – he’s passionate about this material. In a weird way I think it’s quite closer to Gomorrah. When he said, "I’d love you to be in my next film" I said, "Absolutely, loved Gomorrah, I loved Reality." And then this script comes. What the hell’s this? But when you look at what it’s about, it’s treating the same kind of humans in thrall to their own desires, in thrall to their own instincts, misbehaving adults. And here the root of all of that is these fables about people who can’t control themselves who succumb to their own weakness. And clearly there’s a strong moral dimension hidden behind this fantastic imagery. It’s not Gomorrah but there is a banality to the fantastic that’s a bit like the banality of the violence in that film.

Your section feels like the most rounded narrative. The king condemns his daughter Violet to a terrible ordeal. Is it a parable about the perils of paternal self-obsession? (Pictured below, Toby Jones with Bebe Cave).

That’s what I was thinking about when I was making it. Everyone goes on about the flea and you go, “the flea is a bit of a McGuffin.” When I think about my daughters growing up, one’s fear for the future means that I tend to become nostalgic about the past. "Don’t change, don’t change." The change that will happen is that your daughter will leave and you yourself will become a child again in old age. There is a reversal in the story. I think it is about paternity and about complacency and about not seeing what is in front of you.

Were you able to draw on your own relationship with your father [the actor Freddie Jones] in any way?

Not directly but when you say it like that I think there is a connection. I think that in his job and in my job you’re often disconnected from your family and you’re coming back in and having to retrieve time to become reconnected with your daughters. And they have their own lives. They’re not daughters, they’re people, and in a sense that’s what she’s fighting for in this film.

There’s been quite a lot of you in the fantasy genre - Captain America, The Hunger Games, Dobby. You were one of the seven dwarves in Snow White and the Huntsman and had a role in the spoof Your Highness. Regardless of where you’re filming it, whenever the original material was written, are you occupying a different world and mental space, and are there different requirements to doing fantasy storytelling?

To a piece of naturalism or social realism? I think you spot actors who think there is. I don’t think there is a big difference. In a way your job as an actor is to know what your character wants from the scene, what are your character’s needs, short term and long term, why they’re there, what they desire. Even Dobby, there’s this tremendous heart and desire to serve and you cheapen that by going, “But he’s only a house elf!” The audience loves it if they feel it’s a truthful need that you have. I think there are technical differences. When you work on those big big films like Captain America or Harry Potter it’ll be a scene that you return to over several months, then you reshoot, then you return to it again, dub, redub, it gets re-cut, you do it again. Any initial thought you ever had about it has become compromised by the sheer macro-economics of those franchise. Whereas a film like this, it’s a big-budget film but it’s tiny compared to those films. It’s a hugely ambitious film for Italy. You get one go at it and there isn’t the money for loads of retakes and reshoots. But in both films it’s the same thing. If people like Dobby it’s because they think Dobby’s a person.

You attended the French clowning school, L'Ecole Jacques Lecoq. How much did it help you inhabit that world?

It’s counterintuitive but I think it helps me massively all the time. It’s such a practical concrete training about space, and about breathing and telling stories with breath, not just with words, it’s a visual training, it’s about economy of sign-making. And often in film, it’s understanding the space you’re in and how far away you are from the camera and what the nature of the space is which is effectively a proscenium arch anyway. The further away from the Lecoq I get the more I realise that training has had a profound effect on the way I work on a film set because it just gives you a very quick sense of what you’re doing. Other techniques you use on top of it but it’s just very very practical. It’s about what your body is saying whether you like it or not. Whatever you mouth is saying your body can be saying something totally different or it can be sympathetic or consonant with what you’re saying. There is a sentimental side of me as I get older that goes, "It really was the best decision I ever made," because it’s proved so useful in so many ways, just as an outlook, feeding your curiosity as an actor about what you can use and how you can use it. If you’ve done two years at that school you’re interested for the rest of your life in drama.

You just never know what you’re going to get with you next. Do you know what directors and casting directors are looking for when they want you to play a stressed banker in Capital or Neil Baldwin in Marvellous (pictured below, Jones with Baldwin).

The really honest answer is that if I was to try and answer that it would get me into an area which I really more than anything else try to avoid. As I get older the less clear I am about what I convey… that’s why it’s no use to me to go and look at a monitor after a scene. Because I just see what I always see which is me on a monitor. But they see the character. If I’m doing it properly they see the character. If I see me, I don’t want to see me, I want to see the characters and I won’t see the character, but they see the character.

Is it difficult to watch your work when completed then?

Yes I have to be careful about this because it’s really bordering on cliché, this, about not wanting to watch your work. I don’t get anything from it because I only see what I didn’t do and it never looks like it felt to do.

What didn’t you do in Marvellous? Or did you not watch it?

I did watch that because I was so intrigued to see what he [director Julian Farino] made of what we shot and how he cut it. And also because I’m interested to see the films. Whether I enjoy them or not is a different issue.

It's been announced you're to be chief villain in the new series of Sherlock. Can you say who you are playing?

Can’t say. Very short answer. Not allowed to say. Signed something.

Why was Detectorists (pictured below) so good?

Because Mackenzie Crook didn’t write comedy, he wrote characters. I was dead set against doing it. I was dead set against doing any kind of comedy show, and he said, “I’ve written it for you, but if you don’t like it just be clear.” But it was so clearly written for people like with their mates shooting the breeze, trying to cope with banter.

Is there another one coming?

Having spoken to him I think there might be another one but I don’t think it would be in the same format and I don’t think it would be a movie. But I think there might.

Are you over Capote (Jones pictured below with Sandra Bullock as Harper Lee)?

It was never a problem [giggles]. It was never a problem! It was a problem that was projected onto me by so many interviewers going, “Here’s a good spin.” As I always said, the idea of me playing an iconic American author surrounded by those actors in a lead part when I’d just been doing theatre for 10 years, it was so unlikely, how could I possibly feel disappointed? I think people projected stuff onto it.

You last acted in the theatre five years ago, playing Turner in The Painter. When is your next appearance in the theatre?

I hope it’s soon. I haven’t got anything planned. I’d love to do something in theatre, I really would. I’d love to do some Shakespeare.

Overleaf: watch the trailer to Tale of Tales

Graham Fuller

The Forbidden Room, reviewed here yesterday, brings to a climax Guy Maddin’s thirty-year orchestration of the ghosts of world cinema past. A movie like no other, it’s a hectic, twilit construction and deconstruction of What Might Have Been: a pullulating assemblage of vintage movies that were either lost or never made reinvented by the Canadian filmmaker and his co-writers Evan Johnson and Robert Kotyk.